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Post by Staker on Apr 27, 2006 19:56:06 GMT -5
You got kicked out of KoA for your stupidness in the servers... You bragged sooo much it was annoying... then you disrepected a higher ranked officer of KoA... hmm... must I go on :?
I am not even going to start about ACE how Skillet has never been in that fleet or how the original 4 members actually had skill to fight off a huge fleet.
Plague is only 1/4 of the fleet that is still around... the other 3 well they went awol on this game.
Good luck with that Fleet b'tch... I hope your done kissing up to many players... and I did wish you kept EVR... it would of gotten lots of fleets off your ass.
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Post by acealbert on Apr 27, 2006 21:06:40 GMT -5
Blackdog managed to get me out of DEF, or I'd still be in DEF now; Umm, I didn't get you kicked out of DEF. You got yourself booted. You pissed off both Bloody and Sokko with all your shenanigans. Not exactly sure where you got the idea I did when I am not even a member of DEF anymore. Let's see if I can reason this one out. : You got the boot based on your own actions : You figure you are never to blame : So you figure I MUST have somehow got you booted Don't point the blame on me, you earned the swift kick in the ass all on your own. 1) You Blackdog are great friends with Sokko. 2) Sokko returns and spends a lot of time chatting with you and Sokko told you about DEFHQ being back before Sokko even told me. 3) You Blackdog really dislike me to put it mildly. 4) Sokko abruptly 'kicks' me from DEF citing bad rumors of me that he had heard. While I can't say for sure that you, Blackdog, were instrumental in getting me kicked, it is more than likely that you and whatever you may have said regarding me had at least some influence on Sokko when he made this decision.
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Post by JP on Apr 28, 2006 1:45:24 GMT -5
Just to correct you, sokko did not like you to begin with because of your actions like"DEFHQ" you tryed making your own defhq and website without his permission, and the fact that you tryed to make alliances without sokko/ditch's approval.
you clearly undermined sokko and sokko made the decition not blackdog if you want to say somebody was "instrumental" talk to bloody about that because a number of times he told me on aim you where dragging DEF'S name down.
don't try to find blame in others , you did it yourself.
want a cookie ?
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Post by Staker on Apr 28, 2006 2:27:19 GMT -5
I never talked to Sokko Dum ass.
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Post by acealbert on Apr 28, 2006 9:42:02 GMT -5
I never talked to Sokko Dum ass. Not you Staker, I said Blackdog.
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Post by acealbert on Apr 28, 2006 9:45:08 GMT -5
Just to correct you, sokko did not like you to begin with because of your actions like"DEFHQ" you tryed making your own defhq and website without his permission, and the fact that you tryed to make alliances without sokko/ditch's approval. you clearly undermined sokko and sokko made the decition not blackdog if you want to say somebody was "instrumental" talk to bloody about that because a number of times he told me on aim you where dragging DEF'S name down. don't try to find blame in others , you did it yourself. want a cookie ? Wrong. I made a website - DEF Prime - with Mobious' prior explicit approval, AND with RichR29's approval. BECAUSE DEFHQ was DOWN. And DEF had NO WEBSITE. Ditch was NOT AROUND. Neither was Sokko. I never tried to make alliances without Sokko/Ditch's approval. I never undermined Sokko. Bloody is weird. One second he loves me the next he hates me. I'm not saying Blackdog was the sole person responsible. Bloody probably played a role too. All I know is, Sokko made the decision unilaterally without consulting either Ditch or RichR29 or Mobious, and all 3 of these people did not agree with the decision to kick me.
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Post by Blackdog on Apr 28, 2006 12:44:57 GMT -5
Actually, Sokko was pissed about the website that you made. He considered it an embarrassment to DEF as a whole. He also thought you over stepped your bounds by creating it. I am almost certain he talked to Rich before he made his decision.
Albert, you were kicked for the reasons Sokko listed on Bloody's forum. It doesn't matter if you agree with the reasons or not. It is what it is. Your convinced I had something to do with it, but really it was just you over stepping your bounds and trying to do things in the fleet you didn't have the rank to do. End of discussion.
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Post by Tovec on Apr 28, 2006 13:16:29 GMT -5
Albert would never over step the bounds of his rank He'd have to know what those bounds are first. The reason he's going after these old fleets is because there is no one around to tell on him. He can wield the influence of the best without being anywhere near it. All he has to do is talk to those who don't give a rats ass and get the fleet. Albert no matter how good an outsider is there is no way that Blackdog even with talking got you out of DEF. A fleet, especially that fleet would have listened to you before they made a decision. They would have checked the outsider trusted or not to see if his claims were founded and in this case they were. Yes you did all those things with Mobious' approval but I'm sorry to tell dear ol' leo that he didn't have their approval to act as He did. You were just the guy that the buck hit on it's way down. Dude, I was around for the days when DEF was active. I remember getting kicked from it 3 times. (never as Tovec) All those times they actually had to see me do something bad before they kicked me instead of listening to other fleet leaders. In every case I did exactly what they needed to see to kick me. I'm sorry if Mobious thinks or knows he has the level of clearance that he does now but I'm basing all my knowledge on how DEF used to be. Back when no member of fleet could change any status of the fleet (alliance, war, etc.) with or without leadership. The fleet leaders themselves had to do it. I know then when you said that you had the approval to talk for DEF I didn't care because as "diplomatic" as you were you weren't the leader so I didn't care. I know that Mobious was the one in charge of the "super fleets" (ara, koa) and that us lower fleets got you. Wonder why you got booted? Maybe it had something to do with the fact all this stuff is recorded on forums now. That all Sokko had to do was go to ACE's forums, ArA's forums, Here at SIN's, KOA's forums, need I go on? To see what kind of player you were and make some decisions. Shut the fuck up Albert, its over and you obviously won't change so why should I waste my voice.
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Post by Staker on Apr 28, 2006 14:41:14 GMT -5
Umm, I didn't get you kicked out of DEF. You got yourself booted. You pissed off both Bloody and Sokko with all your shenanigans. Not exactly sure where you got the idea I did when I am not even a member of DEF anymore. Let's see if I can reason this one out. : You got the boot based on your own actions : You figure you are never to blame : So you figure I MUST have somehow got you booted Don't point the blame on me, you earned the swift kick in the ass all on your own. 1) You Blackdog are great friends with Sokko. 2) Sokko returns and spends a lot of time chatting with you and Sokko told you about DEFHQ being back before Sokko even told me. 3) You Blackdog really dislike me to put it mildly. 4) Sokko abruptly 'kicks' me from DEF citing bad rumors of me that he had heard. While I can't say for sure that you, Blackdog, were instrumental in getting me kicked, it is more than likely that you and whatever you may have said regarding me had at least some influence on Sokko when he made this decision. That sounds like kd, bd, were instrumental.
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Post by acealbert on Apr 28, 2006 15:29:40 GMT -5
Actually, Sokko was pissed about the website that you made. He considered it an embarrassment to DEF as a whole. He also thought you over stepped your bounds by creating it. I am almost certain he talked to Rich before he made his decision. Albert, you were kicked for the reasons Sokko listed on Bloody's forum. It doesn't matter if you agree with the reasons or not. It is what it is. Your convinced I had something to do with it, but really it was just you over stepping your bounds and trying to do things in the fleet you didn't have the rank to do. End of discussion. I never over stepped my bounds. I made proposals and they were approved by RichR29 (a Founder) and Mobious (sole remaining Major). Everything I did was cleared with both of them IN ADVANCE. I even ran into problems in real life when I made that DEF Prime website, when the company hosting the site mistakenly billed me $10. It took me quite a while before they cancelled that charge. JS did talk to Rich before he made his decision, and Rich said that he never had any problems with me and did not support JS' decision. Sokko being Sokko went ahead and booted me anyway. KD, you keep trying so hard to claim some 'credit' in getting me booted from DEF. If true, let us know what exactly you told Sokko, because otherwise I'm not believing that.
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